| Hate the Kooks? Ever wonder how much input labels have?? | ||
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:12 PM | Quote |
| Taken from playlouder.com: Now, everyone suspects that music industry men are bloated beasts in suits and sniffy noses who might as well be flogging marshmallows as rock & roll. And occasionally, something happens that proves it, like this rather magnificent exchange of emails between various people in the Kooks US operation discussing how they're going to get the band massive over there. Leaked by the excellent Stylus magazine, this makes for illuminating, if highly depressing read. Stylus replaced all specifics, and we use their replacements below: ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX@[UK Record Label] To: XXXX@[UK Record Label] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 4:12 PM Subject: The Kooks We finally got the IFPI [International Federation of the Phonographic Industry] certification through—it's all signed off and there's a bit of green tinted plastic you can show the boys when they next stop by here. Of course over one million European sales is good, very good, but I think we have to understand that these sales are nearly all domestic. The album has been on the UK chart almost 40 weeks now but looking at the data available the album has only got to 107 in France and only to 32 in New Zealand. If we are to make this act a workable long term investment I think we have to make international recognition our first priority, then focus on domestic consiladation then and set up the second album as an international breakthrough. It is my firmly held belief that this band have a strong enough brand appeal to our keynote demographics to put them on the A list of priorities for 2007. ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX@[UK Record Label] To: XXXX@[UK Record Label] Sent: Thursday, November 23, 2006 6:03 PM Subject: Re: The Kooks That's great. I agree that this lot are really shaping up nicely. I was, I must admit, a little worried before radio got hold of Naive and the album took off. Having a third single peak at 12, with the kind of push we were giving them was disheartening to say the least. Getting them to agree its single release was a nightmare Luke [Pritchard lead singer of The Kooks] was very precious about it but I had to lay down the law with him, I told him that if they didn't have a radio hit they'd be going the way of BRMC [Black Rebel Motorcycle Club US group who parted company with Virgin records in 2004]. That shut him up. His point that the production made it sound like Athlete before they sounded like Coldplay made me laugh. We made it pretty hot in the mastering so it sounded great on the radio. I agree international success is a priority and now with Inside being out there in the US market place, we can build their profile and maybe come second album time get a 'Chasing Cars' out of them. I think we are going to have to miss the indie appeal in the US and go straight for the 'OC.' In the UK the leather jackets and scruffy hair does half the work, I mean the cred of The Libertines and the all around appeal of Busted is an obvious no brainer domestic but in the US both of those bands did shit. One plus point: internationally I reckon no one is going to give a toss about them going to stage school or whether one of them shagged Katie Melua. We had to do a little damage control after that Amstell [Simon Amstell, UK Television Personality] prick took the piss on Popworld. I mean no one gives a fuck if spotty [Weekly UK Music Publication] readers think they don't write their own songs but it's important we keep a bit of serious artist credibility round them. That aspirational indie vibe is pretty important when reeling the 25 - 35's in. I gave him [Pritchard] a bit of a hand with that piece in [Monthly UK Music Publication] about Bob Dylan. Anyway nothing to get too hung up about it's just we don't want people damaging the magic of the group, I mean we have done very well, so far all the press have been pretty much onside. I did have a bit of trouble with [UK Newspaper] but we got a decent enough review from them to put a quote on the TV spots. Thanks for your continued support! ----- Original Message ----- From: XXXX@[UK Record Label] To: XXXX@[UK Record Label] Sent: Friday, November 24, 2006 2:55 PM Subject: Re: The Kooks Someone should get in touch with [Music Industry Figure] at Sony and stop him from letting that pillock from Kasabian calling The Kooks girls music or whatever it was he said. Anyway I saw the TV spot last night, it's now running as part of [UK music retailers]'s Christmas campaign. That black white photography works a treat and those press quotes are all great. I know Ooh La didn't do as well as we hoped but with a decent push I think we'll get a third or even fourth wind out of this one! I had another listen to the album on the way home yesterday there's some catchy songs on there aren't there? That Jackie Big Tits song is a laugh, we wouldn't have been able to get away with something like that 10 years ago with all that PC nonsense. I don't think we need to be quite so defensive on the PR front, the only people likely to give them a bad review are people like [Major Webzine] and the kind of geeks who read that crap don't even buy records anyway. Good luck keep up the good work. You can almost smell the sulphur - TALK! --------------------------------------------------------- Very interesting eh. Very sad in fact. |
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:17 PM | Quote |
| haha, the kooks, shite band, shite music, just plain shite :) |
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:19 PM | Quote |
| Quite sad indeed. | ||
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:26 PM | Quote |
| totally rank...and named after a great bowie song. they should be made to stand in the corner with a dunces hat on with keane and all the rest.. middle class mums boys. great music with a few exceptions comes from need not greed. if you know what i mean.. |
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:26 PM | Quote |
| self-righteous-egotistical-disillusioned fucks. I suddenly have one tiny morsel of respect for Luke for at least having an attempt at being precious with his music. Is the music industry run by wannabe mafiosos? "I had to take the boy to one side and smack some smarts into the kid" |
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:28 PM | Quote |
| Do you think it's any different with The Fratellis? | ||
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:29 PM | Quote |
Do you think it's any different with The Fratellis? Not much. I actually do feel sorry for Luke. |
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:36 PM | Quote |
| its an industry unfortunatly a money making one i like my bands in small venues :) butif they have a craic at it fair play to em |
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:45 PM | Quote |
Do you think it's any different with The Fratellis? personally i think the difference is that the fratellis have better songs. and that is what is important. the fratellis marketing campaign is ferocious. but for a good reason..this time i think. sonic youth had a dvd called corporate ghost..but i really think they meant to say corporate whores or pimps. at least we get a good band this time and i really hope the record cunts don't spoil the fratellis. |
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Posted Thu 30 Nov, 2006 11:46 PM | Quote |
Do you think it's any different with The Fratellis? at least we get a good band this time and i really hope the record cunts don't spoil the fratellis. I would say the spoiling is not far off mate. |
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Posted Fri 01 Dec, 2006 9:07 AM | Quote |
I would say the spoiling is not far off mate. Aye right!! |
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Posted Fri 01 Dec, 2006 9:30 AM | Quote |
| I'll say this right now. I saw the kooks supporting the dead 60s at tut's, before i'd heard any of their records, and thought they were pretty good. Someone gave me the album, "you don't love me" is a belter of a tune, as are a couple of the other ones. However, songs like "naive" and "she moves..." are absoulutely vomit inducing, and have removed any respect i once had for them. I think it's totally different from the fratellis. They are what they are, and have been since before they even had a manager. The songs were there right from the beginning, including henrietta and chelsea dagger. |
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Posted Fri 01 Dec, 2006 9:31 AM | Quote |
| fat suited whisky swiggin pillocks the lot of em. the kooks ARE AMAZING, and i for one love ohh la. i would like for the uk to keep hld of uk music and not go to america to be honest as i just dont think they are american enough, agreed, but thats just a tiny reason,, the main reason is because brits produce some brilliant music, only to try and break america, get loadsa crap back from all their efforts, and then be ignored,, which then leaves the band doubting their ability, also, america takes up too much time,, we need them kept here where we can be greedy and selfish and keep them to ourselfs, theyshould always be the lil brighton gems that they are :D i saw luke walking past boots a few months ago,, very sweet looking lad. i would be sad to see them less in our local area just because they are in the u.s selling their arses to a bunch on unappreciatives who dont even deserve the joy of listening to their music |
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Posted Fri 01 Dec, 2006 5:22 PM | Quote |
| You can see that the labels have built the kooks into an image | ||
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Posted Fri 01 Dec, 2006 6:42 PM | Quote |
Do you think it's any different with The Fratellis? at least we get a good band this time and i really hope the record cunts don't spoil the fratellis. I would say the spoiling is not far off mate. I think you should credit the band with far more grit than you appear to - i've met the label management more than once and quite frankly they are decent blokes who know what they are talking about - yes they might be a big label and might have lots of sway - but equally i know the lads can dig their heels in if need be. Its a shame if that is all true about the Kooks - but sometimes you do what you have to to follow your dreams - it sure beats constantly trying to get somewhere and getting no recognition for what you do. I'm not going to say anymore - your comment made my blood boil! |
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